Allyson Scammell had a GIANT story to share and it took time to prepare herself. Allyson shares her wisdom about that process.
Allyson Scammell is a master intuitive business coach, psychic medium, and expert energy healer. Her mission is to help soul-guided leaders, influencers and entrepreneurs with big soul missions to earn more, serve more, and grow spiritually along the way.
https://allysonscammell.com/
The Story of My Near Death Experience:
https://allysonscammell.com/episode35/
https://allysonscammell.com/episode36/
https://allysonscammell.com/episode37/
Amy Hallberg 0:01
When I first met Allyson Scammell, she hinted at a near death experience that had changed her life in significant ways. And as I got to know her, I came to understand that this was not just a near death experience, but a really life transforming experience that opened her up. She's now like a second channel, right? It opened her up in a really big way. And recently, Allyson has started to share that story. It's a little bit out there. And yet she needed to tell it. You're listening to Courageous Wordsmith, Episode 70. This podcast presents conversation with and for real life creatives on how we find and keep walking our unique paths. I'm your host, Amy Hallberg, welcome to my world. Today, it is my honor to have Allyson Scammell here. And she's going to be talking about what it took for her to share one of the most profound experiences of her life. So I'm here with Alison Scammell. And she and I met in a really interesting way, which is that we went through life coach, master coach training together advanced life coach training, and I was putting out a book at the time. And so I was scared about this. I didn't want to publish the book. And I also did want to publish the book. And Allyson gave me some really great advice. So Allyson, I want to talk about the advice that you gave me, and how you knew that that advice was what I needed to hear. So welcome, Allyson,
Allyson Scammell 1:55
thank you so much. I'm thrilled to be here.
Amy Hallberg 1:58
So do you, do you want to share the advice that you gave me?
Allyson Scammell 2:03
Well, I will have you say it, I want to make sure that we're on the same wavelength. So please, I'll reflect.
Amy Hallberg 2:12
So I was publishing a book about Germany. Meanwhile, we've just elected what I consider the second coming of Hitler. Meanwhile, we have Nazis in Charlottesville. And before I finished this whole process, we had children being separated from their parents on arrival to this country, and put into cages, which is straight out of Nazi Germany. And I did not want to be sharing a book about Germany. I mean, that was my story. But all this was unfolding as I was writing the book, and I saw what was there and I didn't want to write it. Because I didn't want to deal with people who didn't like what I was saying. And, and I know you were witnessing that. I know, you saw that as I was completing that final draft, I was surrounded by a lot of people who by all rights should have known how to support me. And you among that group of people had, were willing to look at my problem. Let's put it that way. So what was it about you and your journey that made it possible for you to see what it was that I needed you to tell me?
Allyson Scammell 3:24
Wow, that's a profound question. I think that I had been on this path in life, you know, I'd been in a 17 year career that I would, you know, reflecting back, I think, was a shadow career. I think that, you know, I was meant to do it, I learned the lessons from it. And there were aspects of it that was actually aligned to my gifts, and my authenticity, but in primarily a shadow way. So I think that I was able to, and I think I've always been able to see, well, I think one of my superpowers is I'm a mirror of truth for people. And I try to mirror their truth back to them. And this is very empowering and powerful when somebody has profound gifts and they're not seeing them for themselves are denying them or doubting them or thwarting them. So when I come along and say no, but your gifts are massive. It's like, I don't know it can have a really profound effect on people because it's like they believe me. You know, like, holy shit, like, Yeah, I'm like, my god, Allyson's right. They ought like, wow, I believe her because it's the truth. It's just the truth. I'm the mirror of truth. And I think in your case, you know, you're stepping into this bigger version of yourself and you were taking on, you know, writing about huge global issues, that very large, powerful institutions try to control and manipulate and, and instill fear in us and you were poking the big monster. Right between the eyes. And I believe I just mirrored your truth back to you and said, This is your path. And you're meant to do this, and you are the one, you are the one who's meant to poke because there's so many people out there, vulnerable people, thwarted people, people who haven't been served by the system, who really need you, and your voice of truth,
Amy Hallberg 5:22
right. And the advice you gave me was that my book wasn't for everybody. The advice that you gave me was to consider who I was telling the story to, it's actually the same advice you gave me regarding my business, which I've been building all this time, also, which is, you're not for everybody, Amy, stop trying to be, figure out who your audience is, and do that, and just talk to them. And beyond them, there will be a circle of people beyond them. There's like your core people that you're meant to talk to. And beyond them, there will be more people and echo out. But don't worry about that the people that echoes out the ripples out, focus on the people at the center of your mission, just focus on them, and just do that. And that's easier said than done. But you were actually doing that yourself. And I think that's why, you know, there's all sorts of people who want to tell you what to do in the life coaching realm that we occupy the spiritual realm. It just felt like you were coming from a place where you were speaking your truth, as well.
Allyson Scammell 6:35
Yeah. And because I think I really was, I think being the mirror of truth, you know, when we are in our truth in the actual core, and I like how you describe that it like ripples out. And we have layers, right layers of who we are layers of who we serve, that when we are in the core of who we are and what we're meant to do. And in our gifts, and in alignment to our human design type and really walking an aligned path, we really are not here to serve everyone, you know, when we are in this alignment, at our most authentic, most of us have a pretty small, bespoke audience that we're on a soul level born to serve. Right. And when we hit that so powerfully, our gifts, our messages, our authenticity hits our and serves our soul audience so powerfully, that's when it can ripple out as you were saying to second audiences, and third audiences and fourth audience. And that's how you get, you know, reaching millions of people, billions of people, but it always starts with you, and your truth, and a pretty small bespoke, elite soul audience that on a soul level is here to receive what you are creating for them, writing for them designing for them. And when you focus on that, it can take a lot of fear away, you know,
Amy Hallberg 8:03
so can we talk to that? Can we talk to you and your story and how you know this because, as I said, you were able to see that in me, but you had a pretty big story of your own detail. And I heard little little bits of that while I was getting to know you. But you have since unpacked it much further. So can we can we talk about your story and how that came to be?
Allyson Scammell 8:25
Absolutely. So in 2009, I had a near death experience, where I did crossover and come back. And it was very, very, very unconventional. very unconventional. And you know, I was highly connected to the spiritual realm. And I was getting guided and, and all sorts of crazy things happen. Do you want to leave in the shownotes? Links to the story itself?
Amy Hallberg 8:48
Let's do that. Yes, because you unpack it so fully in your own podcast. So yes, absolutely.
Allyson Scammell 8:53
Yeah. So if you're interested in what happened, go check that out, you will see that it's a really unconventional story. And I was talking about things people don't talk about and things that happen to me that if you're just bopping down the street, and you're looking inside of my glass house without really getting the full picture of what happened, you'd say to yourself, wow, Allyson went nuts. You know, Allyson had quite a breakdown. And yeah, and I was really, I had so much fear that people wouldn't see what actually happened. People wouldn't actually stop, go up to the window of my glass house really connect to me and really see, ah, she had a spiritual breakthrough. I get it. That's what I wanted. Right? And I didn't want people throwing the stones at my glass house. So I wanted to try to control it. I wanted to try to control how people perceived my story. And I was unsuccessful in that and I didn't know how to do that. And so what happened It was I just didn't tell it because I couldn't figure out how to control people's responses. So everybody got it. I just wanted everybody who heard it to like, get it. Oh, I see what happened. Like I'm with her. I see the breakthrough.
Amy Hallberg 10:14
Oh. And I also absolutely believe that she was visited by a collective from other worldly realms, right? Like, I just Oh, yes, I take that full face value.
Allyson Scammell 10:24
Exactly. Even though I've never really heard these concepts before I get it. Yeah. So now I'm hoping people are getting interested enough.
Amy Hallberg 10:31
Yeah, go listen, it's a good story.
Allyson Scammell 10:34
And so I wanted to try to control it. And I tried, and I tried, but I in my trying to control how people perceived it. I just didn't tell it, because I wasn't able to. So I kept this story inside of me. And I would reference it. I mean, I think I kind of did the worst thing you could do, I would reference that I had this NDE. And I would talk around it and I would talk about the edges of it. And people were like, come on, Allyson, just tell us a little story. I'm like, I'm just not ready yet. And I just hemmed and hawed and dragged my feet. And I realized I just had a real fear block about how people would perceive me.
Amy Hallberg 11:13
Can we talk about that for a second, though?
Allyson Scammell 11:15
Yeah, sure.
Amy Hallberg 11:16
You and I have just had offline a beautiful conversation about spiritual bypass, like you acknowledge the thing, and then you just move straight to the to being healed or whatever. And I think that you needed, we need safe spaces, to tell those stories, so that we can make sense of them for ourselves, and to process through them and heal through them. Before we actually put them out into the world. I think one of the most damaging things that can happen to a person is you tell that story too soon, without compassionate listeners, readers who can help you to move through it, because it's not just the telling of the story, energetically, it's in your bones and your cells. And like, this was not an easy experience for you physically, it was devastating.
Allyson Scammell 12:07
True. I mean, it was, you know, one of those stories of breakthrough, where it was one of the hardest things I've ever gone through in my life, and also one of the most amazing and enlightening and, you know, all inspired. So it was like the two extremes. And there was a lot of trauma in there that there was a lot of wounds. And what I always say is when you're telling a story that is triggering the fear, and the wounds and the pain inside of you, whether it's your own story or someone else's, we first want to tell the story for ourselves.
Amy Hallberg 12:43
Absolutely
Allyson Scammell 12:44
Yeah. So your primary audience at the start, is you, you're telling it for you. And absolutely, as Amy said, you want to find, and maybe you start telling it just to yourself, but when you feel safe enough to tell it to one person or two people or 12 people, you want that to be a safe space. And that's exactly what I did with my ND E, I started telling it to smaller audiences not recorded, you know, nothing that would go on Facebook or Instagram, not recorded safe spaces. And those safe space audiences got bigger and bigger and bigger, right. And every time I told it, all sorts of stuff would get triggered inside of me. And then somebody would come back with a response that would trigger me and I'd be like, Oh, that's not what I meant by that. And they didn't get it. Like, I was always worried that people wouldn't get it. They're not going to get it right. That's that control thing. And that would trigger me. And really, it was those, you know, triggering when it's well I call it well intentioned triggers when people are saying something to you. And they're well intentioned, and they don't have a harmful agenda. And they don't mean to hurt you. But they're triggering you. It's a gift, right? It's just a gift because it's it's pointing you to your wounds. So my near death experience was all about healing. And then part two was having healing enough to be able to tell the story of what happened to me, it was really a two part healing journey. And in many ways, the second part was more challenging for me than the first part, which actually, you know, dying and coming back to life was pretty tough. But healing the wounds that were blocking me from telling the story was also quite a long and challenging journey. But I got through it. We all do, right with every step of the way. Yeah.
Amy Hallberg 14:35
Well, can we just say, you know, you did this in a series of, I've actually been witness to the various places in which you did this. But you didn't show up alone. You had your emotional support team. You know, you had somebody that you deeply respected. With you guiding you through. Yep, the live event where you did it. You had a team of people who were kind enough to tell you when you recorded it for the podcast? And you were like, they were like, Nope, not yet. Yeah. Right. Like you had people who had your back who wanted you to tell the story, but we're looking out for you with impeccable dedication to your well being not in a codependent way, but people that you trusted to just be there for you so that you could be vulnerable. Because that story. I think as many times as you tell it, it's always going to have an aspect of vulnerability to it.
Allyson Scammell 15:32
Yeah. And that's exactly right. I started to surround myself by people that would be there to support me emotionally. As I told that I had the first sort of bigger live event I did. And I think Amy, you are is this is the one you're referring to that you were present, like I had a very trusted agent interview me. And like, I just needed her to like, guide me through the story and be like, Okay, I'll listen then what happened next. And the people that were there listening, were all supportive, loving, trusted members of my audience. And then I didn't tell it again for a long time after that. But after that, I just did a lot of healing. And then I realized that I was ready to tell it recorded in my podcast and put it out to the public. Well, the first draft episode I did, it was really not great. And members of my team were like, Allyson, this was not like, they were nice how they told me but they were like, there's a better way to tell this. And I remember I shared it with my, my coach that the other coach I was working with at the time. And he also came back and said, This is good, you got some good stuff here. But it still needs some work. And I'm so glad I got that feedback. It was hard to hear at the time. You know, it's very raw, it's very vulnerable, you know, and it was hard to hear, but I'm so glad they did. Because I realized I still had some healing to do. You know, it's like, the healing never ends.
Amy Hallberg 16:57
Well, and I think your point is something important, which is, okay, so the book comes out, or the story or the podcast, or whatever comes out, does not make you an author. I mean, you are but you're a fledgling author, right? And you're living into the fact that your story is out there, you're living into how you talk about it, you're living into the public facing side of that story. You've never done that before. And I think expecting ourselves to be experts at that is a lot of pressure, when really like, no, it's a baby book. It's a fledgling authorship, right? Like, it's, it's new. And so, you know, all the more reason to surround ourselves with those people who are looking out for us and holding our hands.
Allyson Scammell 17:37
Yeah, it's true. And that last, that sort of dry run that I did for the podcast, I feel like it shook loose the last kind of big blocks I had. And of course, healing is a never ending process. So I still got them inside there. But I feel like it shook loose the last big blocks that were really broad blocking me from telling the story the way I wanted to tell it, and I was able to heal those, and those are big ones. And when that happened, something shifted inside of me for the first time in 13 years. So I had the NDE in 2009. This was just this spring 2022, where I recorded the episode, which is now live on my podcast, and 13 years
Amy Hallberg 17:38
13 years. I mean, I just want to say that because I think people Oh, I'm just gonna write a book, 13 years,
Allyson Scammell 17:58
13 years. And it was just a podcast episode. It's a three part podcast episode. But I do believe that it will someday be a book, that's when something powerful shifted, when I healed enough where this I wasn't telling the story for myself anymore. And I was telling the story for you, right. And all of a sudden, the story became about my audience. And not everybody out there in the world, my bespoke soul audience, when it became not about me and my healing anymore, and became about you and your healing. It was very empowering. And whenever you're in a place of empowerment, right, those fear responses, those vulnerable triggers, they're just they're still there, but they won't hit you as hard. Because you are in an empowered energy. And this is for you, this is not for me. And that that was a really important shift for me. Yeah. And now like, the next time I tell the story, it's like, every time I tell it, I feel like I'm going to feel less and less and less vulnerable.
Amy Hallberg 19:31
And I think that's so important that you say that because I know that right? People who have written books and have been through that experience know that but people who are just thinking about telling their stories writing a book or or putting themselves out there and and owning up to some, some unusual gifts or anything like that. It's one thing to know that that's going to happen, but it's another thing to feel it exactly, but that it does happen, that you can live into it. that it does happen. Yeah.
Allyson Scammell 20:00
And I can just if I can just share it like you get rewarded for doing this work. Yeah. And I didn't just tell the story because it's a cool story. I told the story because my higher self was saying, you have to tell this story, Allyson, I would have been perfectly happy to keep that just it was my experience. And I'm going to keep it in my secret garden, and go on with my days. And it's all good. And you know, life is grand, but my higher self was saying, You are meant to tell the story. You have the experience. That's part one. Part two is sharing the experience. And my higher self was relentless. Like it was, I was getting called so hard, that it came to a point where it was more uncomfortable not to tell it, then the actual discomfort and telling it. Yeah, so I heeded the call, I'm like, alight, Higher Self, alright, divine guidance team. I'll do it. Here I am. I felt that profound shift. I told the story. And then something magical happened. The magic was in the right, people started to hear it. And the feedback I got, and people were like, Oh, my God. And I had something similar happened to me, this changed my life. I don't feel like I'm alone anymore. You open something in me, I'm tapped into something amazing now because of your story. Because the story wasn't about me anymore. It was about you. And people were feeling that I was like, I was transmitting my story to them. And they were receiving what they needed from it, which is what ultimately what I really wanted. And from that feedback from the NDE story, I got the idea for an offering for my business. And I put it out there as a pilot, and it just flew off the shelf. And now this thing, I'm going to turn it into a bigger thing and it's become really become a signature part of my work of my creativity. And I really feel I don't feel I know that me telling my story was the catalyst to kick all this off. And what's unfolding now is, it's an inflow in alignment, in awe. It's just beautiful, what's coming. And it's because I faced my fears healed the heels did what I need to do, followed my heart's calling to tell the story that I was being called to tell. And I let go of the control that I was so unsuccessfully trying to control of how people perceive it.
Amy Hallberg 22:27
Thank you so much, Allyson. This was a delight. And I'm so grateful that you came here to share your story with us.
Allyson Scammell 22:35
Oh, my gosh, you are so welcome. And it's always an honor and a pleasure to connect with you, Amy. Thank you for the beautiful work you're doing in the world.
Amy Hallberg 22:46
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